Beliefs, Religion and Reason – A perspective of Hindu Atheist

February 12, 2009

Evolution debate and Hindus

Filed under: Uncategorized — Aniket @ 1:09 am
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There is one important difference between evolution debate in Christian context and in Hindu context that there isn’t much evolution debate in Hinduism. I guess Hindus are so deeply buried in following their regular rituals that they don’t have time and will to read and refute scientific ideas like evolution. As far as I recollect there is no significant incidence of opposition to teaching theory of evolution in schools and colleges.

One notable exception – ISKCON – and largely because of opposition to evolution by its founder Srila Prabhupada. Had he not been so vocal about it, they also wouldn’t have cared much about evolution. Religious cults don’t generally have their independent thinking, they just repeat the words of their founder *guru* for years and years until the cult cease to exist.

So here New Vrindavan declares Darwin is dead.

To begin our “celebration” of the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin, we here at Club 108 offer you and yours a special bit of katha from Srila Prabhupada, from the excellent book “Life Comes From Life”

Morning Walk
4-19-73, Cheviot Hills Park, Los Angeles

“The Missing Link”
Dr.Singh (His Holiness Bhakti Swarup Damodar Maharaj): In fact, there are several theories explaining how life originated from matter, how living matter came from the non-living

Prabhupada
: (casting Dr. Singh in the role of a materialistic scientist) All right, scientist, why is life not coming from matter now? You rascal. Why isn’t life coming from matter now?

Actually such scientists are rascals. They childishly say that life came from matter, although they are not at all able to prove it. Our Krsna consciousness movement should expose all these rascals. They are only bluffing. Why don’t they create life immediately? In the past, they say, life arose from matter, and they say that this will happen again in the future. They even say that they will create life from matter. What kind of theory is this? They have already commented that life began from matter. This refers to the past-“began”. Then why do they now speak of the future? Is it not contradictory? They are expecting the past to occur in the future. This is childish nonsense.

(aniket here) What do you think of a Swami who calls scientists ‘Rascals’? His Holiness?

Karandhar Prabhu: They say that life arose from matter in the past and that they will create life this way in the future.

P: What is this nonsense? If they cannot prove that life arises from matter in the present, how do they know life arose this way in the past?

(aniket here)

Is this even a logical argument?

Science is continuous quest for knowledge. Yes, there are unknowns. There is a reasonable assumption that first cell must have evolved as a result of some chemical evolution, but science doesn’t have definite answer to that yet and science does not want to make stuff up like P’s gang would. Having said this, science does have a very elegant theory supported with enormous evidence for evolution of life from evolution of first cell.
How does above P’s statement refute argument of biological evolution? You can not point to lack of evidence for chemical evolution to disprove biological evolution, can you?

Dr.S: They are assuming…

P: Everyone can assume, but this is not science. Everyone can assume something. You can assume something, I can assume something. But there must be proof. We can prove that life arises from life. For example, a father begets a child. The father is living, and the child is living. But where is there proof that a father can be a dead stone? Where is their proof? We can easily prove that life begins from life. And the original life is Krsna. That can also be proven. But what evidence exists that a child is born of stone? They cannot actually prove that life comes from matter. They are leaving that aside for the future. (Laughter)

(aniket) Random assumption is not science, reasonable assumption is.
and stones? seems like someone was stoned while saying this …
Presumably, someone with 16108 wives can potentially make many babies. But origin of entire life is Krsna? Where is the proof for that? Why just say ‘That can also be proven’? Prove it.

K: The scientisis say that they can now formulate acids, amino acids, that are almost like one-celled living organisms. They say that because these acids so closely resemble living beings, there must be just one missing link needed before they can create life.

P: Nonsense! Missing link. I’ll challenge them to their face! (Laughter) They are missing this challenge. The missing link is this challenge to their face.

(aniket here) Yes, and you are making a lot of sense swami.

If you would like to contribute to our year-long “celebration” of Darwin’s 200th birthday, please send your articles, editorials, or any other creative and informative pieces to nvclub108@gmail.com

So that is that about some more bullsh!t (cow dung may be) arising out of ISKCON.




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7 Comments »

  1. I read the entire article in “life comes from life ”

    http://krishna.org/life-comes-from-life/

    read it and enjoy.

    Btw, when Praphupada calls scientists rascals that is Ok but when scientists call people like him harebrained morons, that’s grave disrespect.

    Read these sentences from the site

    “Men who are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses praise those men who never listen to the transcendental pastimes of Lord Sri Krsna”

    “If the Nobel Prize is given to a scientist who is a rascal, the men on the committee who give him that prize are no better than dogs, hogs, camels and asses. We don’t accept them as human beings. One animal is praised by another animal. Where is the credit in that? If the men on the committee are no better than animals, anyone who receives the Nobel Prize in science is fool number one, because animals are praising him, not human beings.”

    is it just a coincidence that ISLAM and ISKCON start with the letter I or are there more similarities…

    Comment by nitwit Nastik — February 12, 2009 @ 12:10 pm | Reply

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    Pingback by ISKCON and Evolution « Nitwit Nastik — February 12, 2009 @ 1:58 pm | Reply

  3. I went to local iskcon temple last year, just to see how things work. Selling religion is booming business even in (or especially in) economic recession. iskcon is very fundamentalist in its belief.
    Many times I felt that people doing such stuff are in living in denial – just running away from pain, loneliness and suffering in life .. it’s not much different from smoking pot.

    Comment by Aniket — February 12, 2009 @ 9:13 pm | Reply

  4. This discussion between creationists and evolutionists are useless. Both points of view are completely right, in my humble opinion; it’s just that one side has political reasons do disagree with the other side.

    There is a law-of-conduct in Nature. This principle defines the relation of all energy in the universe. So, what is matter? What is life? What is the relation between matter and life? Does life depends on matter? Is there really absence of life in all types o matter?

    For me life is a pattern; a pattern of a movement — movement drawn by this principle, this law-of-conduct. This discussion makes no sense, since both sides are talking about the same thing.

    The real nature of light is being at the same time matter and wave. Energy and movement. There is not difference, you see?

    Comment by sav — February 13, 2009 @ 12:20 pm | Reply

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